Jeremy: Alright, let's move to freight logistics now, as I think it is the very heart of our country's growth story, really at the Economic Reforms conference, Juanita Maree, Chief Executive of the Southern African Association of Freight Forwarders, said 65% of South Africa's GDP is exposed to trade. Given the importance of the performance of ports, rail and corridors to South Africa's macroeconomic success. Maybe explain to us the mixed bag of results on this reform roadmap. Maybe we can start with the good and then sort of move down the scale if we can.
Rudi: I mean, the problem is that, let's be frank, let's talk about the most important part.
So if you're starting from pit to port, you've got to remove those goods from the pit, right? And that network is not up to standard. It’s been degraded. There's been a lack of Capex investment in the freight rail network, and that's for a whole series of different reasons that we can discuss Jeremy.
But the fact of the matter is that we've got to bring that up to standard. Bringing that up to standard means that you're able to open up the network transit, freight, rail. Third-party operators are able to ensure that they can compete with one another and move goods. That also makes costs much more competitive because, as it is a large chunk, 70% of our volumes that are, for example, moving between the most congested route is between City Deep and Durban.
We've got to take a lot of those goods, containerised goods, and put them onto the rail. So certainly I think there's an important incentive to be able to reduce that cost for us to be able to do that. Then, then of course. There's the importance of ensuring that being reduced competition within the port space.
Again, Durban Container Port Terminal, for example, is still the largest in Africa, and therefore you've got to invest significantly in infrastructure, in technology, you know, shipped to shore cranes, rubber tire gantries. They've got to be more efficient.
You've got old technology that's there, you've got old cranes that are there. Those are going to be important things that I think about TFR and the industry is looking at. The challenge that we've got to do is that all our indicators are, as you say, let's move on to the bad parts, which are all terrible, you know, where do we raise the money from to be able to ensure that we can invest in both rail and ports?
And that's where the private sector comes in. That's why we've got to think very differently. Traditionally, what we would've done is go out to the market, borrow money, Martin and Ayan would convince their debt component of the firms and buy up the bonds. We got to think about how we do this very differently with private sector operators where we potentially can concession it, think about how they can operate and run a more efficient port or rail corridor, for instance.
And that's the important part of how I think the reform has to unlock. We are moving in that direction. We issued, for example, a request for information during the course of last year on three key corridors, the manganese; iron core, the Natcore, and then of course the coal corridor. And there's been a significant amount of interest from both local and international operators in that space.
And certainly what we've got to do is take the next logical step and actually go to market. Pretty much the same thing that you've done for. This is all the same stuff that you've got to do, and I think that's going to be an important part for us to be able to do.
Geographically, we are the worst possible place, right? But now, given the sort of geopolitics, it depends on what happens. Many ships would have to pass our shore. We've got to find a mechanism of making a genuine regional hub in South Africa and that potential is there. And for us to be able to, you know, secure some of those shipping routes that come past our shore, but never dock here.