Jeremy: Annabel on a consolidated basis, the deficit has widened in recent years, to around 5% of GDP, and debt has edged up toward 78%. Is it fair to say then that fiscal slippage has become the default trend and that avoiding further deterioration is perhaps perceived now as a success?
Annabel: We obviously have had a lot of fiscal slippage. Again, we saw in the past, at the MTBPS as well, even if it's 0.1 to 0.2 compared to what was projected it is still fiscal slippage.
And of course, as a consequence, if we look at where we are sitting now at the 5% deficit, as you said, sustainability for an emerging market country is 3% deficit or less. So, this is the risk that we really are playing with.
And I do think, you know, that many years of fiscal slippage has become a characteristic, it's become normalised behaviour for South Africa. If there are additional expenditures that we were talking about earlier, and of course, we saw the lack of appetite last time around in the Budget for VAT increases, we'll just push it through to higher borrowing. And for me, that's an area that really needs to be focused on as a priority.
We're having the fiscal anchors come in, and we certainly think they're going to be a type of flexible fiscal anchor which is going to help to ground and even reduce these types of expenditure pressures.
But of course, the bottom line is we actually need to reduce, not even stabilise, but reduce our debt-to-GDP ratio. It's absolutely critical because given the elevation in our debt to GDP ratio, to above 70%, and now towards 80% mark since COVID, there's little room for a further crisis and for further money needing to be borrowed.
And of course, when we stare down the line, you're increasingly seeing the impacts from climate change and of course countries around the world are seeing that impact come through as well. That puts a huge amount of pressure on government finances.
We have got several years to start to reel this in if we continue to allow this fiscal slippage to go out. We know that the climate change effects get worse every year, and that is really where government is expected to step in to help citizens, to help the country to repair and to fix, and that can be quite a large worry down the line.
So, I really think both globally and in South Africa, we need to see debt-to-GDP ratios reeled in. The IMF talks about globally going over a hundred percent and it is certainly a fiscal stressor.
Tertia: I would like to add here, and the important thing in South Africa is with the GNU, and that is what we saw this time last year, that there's commitment from the GNU that we must stabilise the debt.
So, if there's an increase in expenditure, it must be countered by a tax increase and that was where the whole debacle about the VAT increase played out.
So, the compromise at the end of the day was that expenditure was increased, but at a smaller amount because the tax increase that we ended up with was relatively smaller. But the budget deficit has to be protected because that is what drives your debt-to-GDP level.