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21 Nov 2025

From heavy industry to clean growth

In this episode of the podcast series What Next? Marc Kahn, our Chief Strategy and Sustainability Officer, Lindsay Hooper, CEO at CISL, and guests Faustine Delasalle, CEO of the Mission Possible Partnership, and Katie Fergusson, SVP, Studies and Development at Anglo American, we explore what the future holds for heavy industry as the world rises to the challenge of transitioning to a clean energy economy.

Key takeaways

  • Responsible mining is essential: The world needs critical minerals, but production must minimize carbon, water, and social impacts.
  • Partnership drives progress: Collaboration across sectors, supply chains, and governments accelerates innovation and de-risks transition investments.
  • Policy stability matters: Clear, long-term frameworks give investors confidence to back new technologies and infrastructure.
  • Innovation must scale: Bridging the gap between pilot projects and deployment requires new financing, mindset shifts, and regulatory agility.
  • Leadership in complexity: Future leaders must balance vision with adaptability, combining commercial insight with social and environmental responsibility.
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In this episode of podcast series, What Next? Faustine Delasalle and Katie Fergusson discuss how to create the conditions for cleaner industry to compete and thrive - from green steel and hydrogen to innovation, investment and the human leadership required to navigate complexity and drive real change.

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What next? Leadership conversations for a better future

What next? Leadership conversations for a better future is a podcast series hosted by Marc Kahn, our Chief Strategy and Sustainability Officer, and Lindsay Hooper, CEO at the University of Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership (CISL). Along with critical thinkers, innovators and leaders from across the globe, they discuss how markets can truly serve people and the planet, asking tough questions, challenging old assumptions, and opening space for new perspectives and solutions.


Chapter notes | Scroll to the areas that interest you

  • Chapter 1: What Resources will Future Economies Require? (00:00–11:30)

    • Katie outlines the scenarios shaping Anglo American’s strategy - supporting the global transition through premium iron ore, decarbonisation partnerships, and low-carbon fertiliser innovation.
    • She describes “future-smart” mines that integrate automation and circular models, from green-steel collaborations to natural fertilisers that improve soil health and reduce emissions - illustrating the wider push toward more responsible mining.
  • Chapter 2: Innovation, collaboration, and scale (11:30–23:00)

    • The discussion turns to the speed of industrial innovation. Katie highlights advances such as renewable joint ventures in South Africa and carbon-storing nickel by-products in Brazil.
    • Both guests note that scaling these breakthroughs requires new financing models, stronger links between innovation and operations, and more adaptive permitting systems.
    • Progress depends on cross-sector partnerships and on local champions who drive deployment and persistence on the ground.
  • Chapter 3: More mining, less extraction (23:00–27:30)

    • Faustine reframes the narrative: while the world will need more mining, total extraction will decline as fossil fuel use drops.
    • She argues that success depends on policy certainty and long-term demand signals, enabling companies to invest confidently in clean technologies like green steel and hydrogen.
    • Collaboration across value chains - from miners to manufacturers - is vital to create viable markets for sustainable materials.
  • Chapter 4: Leadership and the just transition (27:30–36:30)

    • Both speakers stress that industrial transformation must also be socially just. Katie points to South Africa’s Just Transition framework as an emerging example of collaboration between government, business and communities.
    • On leadership, she calls for bold, adaptive leaders able to navigate uncertainty, learn from failure, and bridge commercial and sustainability goals.
    • Faustine adds: “True leadership is not just about navigating what’s coming - it’s about shaping what’s coming.”
Katie Fergusson
Katie Fergusson, SVP, Studies & Development, Anglo-American

Sustainable leadership means making space for experimentation and learning - we can’t innovate without being willing to fail fast.

Prof Carlos Lopes
Faustine Delasalle, CEO of the Mission Possible Partnership

True leadership is not just about navigating what’s coming; it’s about shaping what’s coming.

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