Jeremy: So Campbell, let me continue then with the broader positive theme. Despite the risks that we've discussed in some detail, your research also suggests that South Africa and more broadly the continent could also benefit in certain ways from the crisis. So where would you see the opportunity?
Campbell: That’s an interesting question because I think you have to take your clues from what happened after the 1970s oil crisis.
After the 1970s twin oil shocks, there was a move to improve energy consumption efficiencies. There was a move to look for oil outside the Middle East. So the North Sea, Siberia, Alaska, for example. Those were new provinces after the '70s oil shocks. The third thing that happened was they looked to replace oil with things like, at the time, coal and nuclear, and then the last thing they did was they began to hoard oil through the IEA's efforts to get strategic inventories built in OECD economies.
All of that I see happening now 50 years later is electrification and efficiency improvements, I think are going to continue probably even at an accelerated clip. The IEA is actually talking about this today. I think there's going to be a move, like after the '70s, there's going to be a move now to find more oil outside the Middle East.
There are not many prospective regions left in the world, but I immediately think about Africa as a underexplored or relatively underexplored area, as well as like Asia, LATAM. I think about replacing oil use, and I think immediately of nuclear and renewables with batteries, which are already available at scale and relatively affordable in many cases.
And then we also are already starting to hoard more oil and other commodities in strategic inventories. So that sort of gives you some sort of background to how South Africa, and Africa more broadly, can benefit. So for example, we have enormous, oil and gas endowment off our west coast, and for many reasons, the monetisation thereof has been stalled, and we think that the efforts to find oil in other parts of the world actually plays into our favour. And as long as we put the right regulatory regime in place, I think we can do very well by developing our offshore oil and gas resource, which according to what's happened in Namibia, has massive potential.
I think we should also be pushing hard on solar in particular. We have a renewable energy program which I argue has been one of the envies of the world, so why not keep pushing hard on solar? The Northern Cape is one of the top 10 places in the world to site a solar project due to solar irradiance, so why shouldn't we continue doing that while battery technology gets better and better every day?
And then the last thing I'd say we need to do is embrace EVs, because I think we are expecting to see fossil fuels lose share in transport, and part of that means more EV purchases and our South African auto industry, which has been very strong in the past, needs to basically improve its capabilities in EVs and start investing behind that.
So that's a couple of opportunities we see South Africa benefiting ultimately.