Jeremy Maggs: Alright, I want to bring South Africa into the picture now. Team South Africa is in Davos, positioning this country as reforming, stabilising, ready for partnership. From an investment perspective, how material are these signals in a world, Chris, where capital has become, I think, far more risk selective.
Chris Holdsworth: That's absolutely critical there. There's still a pretty widespread scepticism about the recovery story in SA, and it's going to take more delivery to change views and talking to people is one thing, and talking about commitments is one thing, but at this point we need to see signs of delivery and you need to evidence that delivery and you need to make it public and this is a platform to do that.
Jeremy Maggs: Now Chris, a recurring theme in the team South African narrative is that the country has moved from policy intent to implementation, particularly through Operation Vulindlela, energy reform and logistics modernisation. As a strategist, how do you then distinguish between reform rhetoric and reforms that can actually unlock capital?
Chris Holdsworth: Now this is pretty important for us. A couple of years ago, we created our own SOE index to measure the performance of SOEs in South Africa. And the reason we did that is the realisation that SOEs at that point were a binding constraint on GDP growth in South Africa. And if you look at that index, it bottomed around 2023.
And since then there's been a sizable recovery, and we can see that through electricity production as an example. We can also see it through the performance of container handling at the ports. So there's signs that things are turning around. And what that means is SOEs are less of a binding constraint on growth, and that allows GDP growth to drift upwards.
We may even see it at 2% this year. And the more we see signs of delivery in that regard, the more we see signs of structural form actually leading to better results, the more likely we are to see a reduction in the risk premium in South Africa.